UNCUT cutnpaste ASCII format of discusssion: 2015-10-3 07:56 John How much for 2 trapdoor covers wit shipping to sweden? 2015-10-3 12:53 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Hi John, want to have 15 per trapdoor. There are only 5 or 6 left. Let me take a look later whats the shipping cost to Sweden. regards John sounds ok.. so check postage. ?? paypal? 2015-10-3 17:06 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Hi John i dont use PayPal anymore, because they want a lot of money when using it with Ebay together selling any items and sometimes they hold money back for no apparently reason so simple wiretransfer with IBAN numbers does in those times a very simple and fast job let me get later to you as i have to finish some works and than i will tell you details John IBAN works fine for me aswell.. no problem I can hold.. and yes.. Paypal blocked me also for a long time as I have handles too much money. blah blah.. but it was resolved. 2015-10-3 21:55 Salvador Fernandez Gomez ok to Sweden it is a little bit expensive the shipping only with 19,15 Euro John trackable or non? Salvador Fernandez Gomez Ok here are the details: Name: Salvador Fernandez Gomez (if needed my Adress: xxxxxxx Weg 1) (if needed my Adress: 6xxxx Bad Vilbel) (if needed my Adress: Germany) IBAN: DE42xxx7777 xxxxxxxxx 00 BIC: NOxxxxxx1XXX Amount: 49,15 Euro (including Shipment to Australia) Bank Name: NORISBANK GmbH (if needed Bankadress: Rxxxxr xxxxe 122) (if needed Bankadress: 5xxxx Bonn) (if needed Bankadress: Germany) Salvador Fernandez Gomez trackable i need your Adress John non trackable? so.. 50 eur? Salvador Fernandez Gomez non trackable is 2 euros less 17,15 John then trackable.. I enjoy pressing f5.. ?? Salvador Fernandez Gomez i think also haha John hold loggin into my bank Salvador Fernandez Gomez hey you have time its weekend ?? John I forget ?? bah fuck. I have to activate that.. need to call in. .will do that tomorrow.. service international payments not activated. . bahh anyay.. adress: John Hertell, xxxxxx xxxxx Karlstad, Sweden I will send you a message tomorow when I talked to the bank. (or monday, but I guess the phonebank is open tomorrow) Salvador Fernandez Gomez ok alright 2015-10-5 13:45 John finally sent 50 eur Salvador Fernandez Gomez ok thanks i will inform you the next days John do that gheez the bank anted to know my income etc etc etc for this.. :) 2015-10-6 19:20 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Hi John, money has arrived. wooohaaa that was fast ! John oh impressive Salvador Fernandez Gomez ok tomorrow trapdoors will go out to you John nice.. ?? then I will have 2 cases ythat I can put Aimgamotherboars to Salvador Fernandez Gomez perfect spareparts for amiga are rare. we need to start Commodore again ?? John yes.. ?? I have like 20+ motherboards here to fix Salvador Fernandez Gomez you are doing a great job we need more amigas market looks like there is nothing left anymore only some 500 and 2000 are showing up thats it do you have sparechips John some. ye Salvador Fernandez Gomez specially the 4000T custom chips ? John yes Salvador Fernandez Gomez as i am thinking to produce some 4000T boards John I do not have complete sets.. you have boardfiles?? Salvador Fernandez Gomez i am searching the gerber files and got only 2 contact adresses to ask for beside of this i have the schematics, what would be another but more expensiver solution as the pcb company told me John http://www.amigapcb.org/ I want board smade out of this Amiga PCB Explorer V1.12 amigapcb.org Salvador Fernandez Gomez oh that looks good A4000 CR Revision D would be fine i had this board some years ago John yes. but the rev B wporks fine. and just skip the battery.. 2015-10-7 12:05 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Hello John, as promised i have sent out today the trapdoors to you. Here is the trackingnumber: 007605938040888. You can track it over here: https://www.myhermes.de/wps/portal/paket/Home/privatkunden/sendungsverfolgung if you need it. Best regards Salva John Sounds fine.. Thanx John DEN 7 NOVEMBER 16:06 John I haven't posted it yet. I have tried to start up the bppc I get illegal instruction in my diagrom. I GUESS there is some solderinissue. I will try to get it to a friend with a better microscope than I got.. but it starts. so sad about all the naggers.. outthere.. but will not post anything about it for a while to. well just simply not give them a chanse saying "it is wrong on the PCBs" as I know they are ok. buyt might e a microscopic issue. OR CLPD error. but I do not think CLPS issues would do this, it would just simply not even try to start then.. DEN 7 NOVEMBER 17:38 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Hi John, thanks for that feedback on the work of the bppc pcb. You need to have assembled every part very exactly and counter measure it for its right soldering function on the pads. This board is 8 layers and does work as tested here, however you need to have workings cplds, the simm sockets fitted exactly, the right flashrom who start the board off and try to use less solder on the 68k pins and check every pin on the other side for function as it maybe happen that by soldering it by hand without automatic wave soldering, some pads are not covered or not correctly connected. Use exact configuartion for a 50 mhz 060 in term of crystals and jumpers set with the tiny resistors and try to don't use uny cable betwenn layers. That is as far as i can see on the first pictures you posted what comes to my mind. Salvador Fernandez Gomez Use the most standard configuration for the board until it is possible to boot or get a screen. Good luck with it yeah and the naggers will be there even if you get it starting... this is for sure, but they shouldn't hi-jack your post in order to address their hate and insults to me, because thats what they are doing. These people care nothing about your work, believe me... John yeah I know about the tight solderings so thats why I need to take it to my friend that have a much better scope than I got to see issues. the cable I have on my pictures is a normal hack you do being "lazy" using the same oscillator for both PPC part and 68k part. common thing and I know it works. same as the comos patch for non PPC configurations. (actuially my diagrom starts without any rom atall. as it simply just ignores it anyway so I use it to diagnose PPC issues on BPPCs) this for sure is not a solderjob for a beginner ?? btw we talked about 1260 pcb etc..please think of a price or so as I wouold gladly make a deal and put together a card. (and the 1260 is like 10times more easy :)) John and about hijacking.. well this IS the intenet. and I am guilty sometimes aswell. when it comes to vampire.. ?? DEN 8 NOVEMBER 07:42 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Good morning John, another stupid wannabe gangster uploaded this shit to the group... Salvador Fernandez Gomez i would like that this is deleted from there and from the comments of our picture together as i am getting meanwhile really angry with all that shit and these guys are gonna pay a high price for it for insulting and discrediting me and my company in public and there are lot legal actions beeing prepared right now in the background against all these criminals. They are nothing else. John I take this with the admins. and as usual we will take a vote.. DEN 8 NOVEMBER 14:00 Salvador Fernandez Gomez has been done anything or do i need to face another smear campaign against my investment ? John Driving now answrr when i get to my client Salvador Fernandez Gomez ok DEN 8 NOVEMBER 15:10 John Ok this is the short one.. will take it longer when I get home from work tonight (aprox 20-21) as I am now at a client doing a servermigration.. but The rest of the admins that have responded thinks this is satire.. and they think if should stay.. and think that the best for you is actually to ignore it as shouting damages more.. I however think they are overdoing it and will think of some kind of comment.. as I belive in you and your project. DEN 8 NOVEMBER 20:39 Salvador Fernandez Gomez No,no,no i will nothing ignore. It looks not like, it smells to hell, that different people are driving a smear and defaming campaign again me and my company and i am now forced to pull the trigger of reporting this to the police and prosecutors and to sue the responsible person behind that and thos implicated into this. Dont ask for what is coming now. But this will have an ugly end as i am not accepting this bullshit on behalf of my person and my investment made into this company paying upfront for a lot of parts and all the other companies cost. So somebody is gonna pay the bill for this dirty defamation campaign. Thats clear and please dont tell me anything about satire, you and me know what is behind, the try to defame me and my company up to the ground in order that people do not order. This is a huge problem and will be solved by third parties. Salvador Fernandez Gomez By the way this Ted profile is a fake and a lot of people, me included, point to Marcel Franquinet beeing behind the Ted profile. I will tell him this later in public. John Marcel have met him this feburary in gothenburg well I am also sorry to inform you that it seems to inform you that there are issues with the BPPC pcb with atleast GND later.. layer.. there is no connection on GND to voltregulators.. on both cards.. one card not evenpopulated.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez Marcel is the only one who met him, nobody else have seen him. John Ithink marvin was with him aswell Salvador Fernandez Gomez The Blizzard PPC boards works here and the design is verified, as for beeing the exakt design that was last time used for sale and this comes from the second largest company of pcb producers of the world with whom i have an non diclosure agreement over 30 pages. John measuting on the nonpopulated and thepopulated.. there is no gnd.. not a single chip gets power.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez if not so, i would not have sent out these boards to you. John ntived it as I still got illegal instruction without cpu Salvador Fernandez Gomez this cant be. John noticed it as I got illegal instrucktion with no cpu.. meaning the A1200 cpui still does work. but get "noise" and crash.. checked piintouts of chips.. and regulator.. no nothing, no power. then I priobed the GND.. no conection on several parts of the board.. test with my bad board. connectio.. like bteween the GND pins ofthe both volt regulators will check powerpins on cpu and so on.. hold.. must dig up pin--config no connection at GND pins on cpu.. on my "blown board" connection on GND pins I will however not write anothing about this. as shitstorm is NOT needed 3,3V beeps nicly.. no beep on GND between oscillatos either Salvador Fernandez Gomez I think you tested the board before and everything was fine. i send you allready a screenshot of the oscillators part where the ground on both is clearly visible out of this data was made the boards and out of original gerber files. Thing is i am not at the office and in the office everything is in boxes as we are moving into bigger offices what takes next week and maybe some days more. John check when you can. I never checked the GND.. I only traced that damn output pin of the oscillator.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez If your boards do not work send them later back to us as i then will test them too and if so i would claim this issue at the pcb facilities as these boards are long time paid. John found it on the other end of the board so that made me think: yAH! all layers is tythere yup.. my soldered one is dead.. and I checked on the empty one aswell. same issue there no connections between GNDs.. it is like the GNDplane is missing.. or vias missing Salvador Fernandez Gomez This is very strange, as i am checking the design right now and everything is there, specialy the ground layer is needed for proper function. John yeah. thats why I was so surprised.. but no IC gets power.. and all is cool.. and that is natural.. as. no GND.. there are connection between gnd between SOME caps.. or.. damn. me thinking wrong.. no that was the plus part that beeped.. on the three to theleft gnd.. no go no.. I am right. tantals.. marking on other side... thethee to left they beep when I test Salvador Fernandez Gomez GND is connected to top layer and internal planes John from homle to that IC pin. is connection. byt between the GND holes for osciallator. dead from hole to that IC pin. is connection (as top layer( testuing marked parts. no beep.. no connection on my dead board.. there is connection dead board = the bioard I took components from.. the heatblown pcb.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez yes i know the exact position you are showing but cant understand why it is so. Well we received different boards and the final boards should have been ordered last week but i had no time because of the movement, but need to do so anyway to get them in the next 2 weeks. There are also different bppc design files and gerber files created during the whole process. The only clue i have is if the pcb faciility where different employees are working maybe choose the wrong files and or had any issues converting the files for their machine as they work with different cam managers and gerber programms. But 2 boards i have here are working. So we will solve this in the one or the other way. John yeah. it is really weirtd.. like someone screwed up a file. yeah not a signle GND pin at cpu socket beeps for me also checked GND on ICs . nope. no beep.. except those damn 3 caps.. so far and decoupling caps inside the cpusocket (68k cpu that is() or dohh checking wrong board let me check the cpusocket on the new board nope., nothingthere powerpart of decouplingcaps works. GND side. nope Salvador Fernandez Gomez decoupling caps inside the cpu socket ? its getting weirder... John no.. they did not work.. I was tired and measured on my dead oard. no.. they did not work.. I was tired and measured on my dead oard. hard day.. ?? Salvador Fernandez Gomez ahh ok well for me it sounds like somebody screwed the files in this moment, as gnd is an important layer like vcc too as a vital part of the board John absolutley.. would be a nightmare to jumperwire all gnd points ?? Salvador Fernandez Gomez but i will test my boards too John easyest and fastest is to check gnd pins in cpu sockjet Salvador Fernandez Gomez as you can imagine i am ordering now the other boards too like g-rex and cybervision and csppc John yeah.. would be a nightmare to have that issue on productionpcbs Salvador Fernandez Gomez exactly imagine you dont test em and go over to assembly.. John yeah. kiiinda pissed on me that I did not check that now before moving those componenst.. components.. as this is NOT a beginner-solderjob hehe I used atleast 4 times longer time to do this proper when soldering compared when I do the 3660s.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez yes soldering a bppc by hand is a pain in the ass and back in the time at old phase 5 we or better said Thomas and Vito in the large workshop didnt like me to bring em faulty boards after i confirmed malfunction of the board John hehe I guess well should I prepare to send you pcb or so? or how do we handle this like I shold remove Ics and connector John anyway.. I guess we will find a fine solution.. now.. I am off for sleep.. hard day at work tomorrow aswell.. phew if people ask about the bppc project.. I say that I have put it aside fora while.. no time.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez Yes you can prepare it for sending it back and yes we can handle it that way as i have enough of haters and hordes going crazy every day, not only on facebook and that is the only reason why other professionals left this market and never returned back as i have been told several times in the last 2 years personally by them. DEN 9 NOVEMBER 06:51 John yeah I know.. but i am no hater.. and shit happens I know.. so no worries.. DEN 19 NOVEMBER 09:56 John I am ready to ship the boards.. where to send it? people start to ask me alot so I need something good to say.. DEN 19 NOVEMBER 15:17 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Amiga people always ask a lot.. even things that are none of their business. What about the groups post about phase 5 with the so called "satiric" video and my private ebay auctions in order to start flamewars agains phase 5 and me ? Still there. Still no response by admins... About the boards i will tell ya end of month where to send em. John well admins have come to that it is satire. even if "over the top" but they have been discussing about it and say that this is a result of the wait. it is like when they make fun of trump or any other person.. as nothing illegal has been done. they do not want to remove stuff.. and blocking will not help, just look how "good" it works for vampire.. John anyway they are asking me if there are issues with the boatd and that's why I haven't shown anything.. actually got offer to use their microscopes to inspect.. so it will be hard to be quiet without saying anything.. but now I am "saved" by the fact that I ambusy with 3660 to eagle etc TIS 18:29 John Hi.. I am thinking of this situatiuon with the BPPC board. how is your plan to solve this? I mean. I get lots of questions on several forums, FB, IRC, Mail etc asking. I simply cannot forever say that I am just waiting for time as I got offer from people with professional gear to inspect the board. I for my own sake simply need something to answer with. so. yes boards are from this easter so it is a preproduction run and shit can happen. But when I send my boards to you.. will you be able to ship working PCBs to me quite directly? or should we just cancel it? TIS 21:06 Salvador Fernandez Gomez Hi John, well i don’t care about people asking you over which ever channels they want, as these people are not interested in the product. They don’t ask us, so why should they ask you ? But if they ask you instead of us, then it is clearly with the intent to get any “bad” information they can spread then over any networks, forums and groups like the facebook group you are admin of. The criminal smear campaign against phase 5 and me is still posted on the Amiga Commodore group and not a single admin thought about it to delete such disgusting entries attacking my person and my company even then not when it was told to you/them, just ignoring my messages. So what are you asking me right now ? That if I don’t answer or I don’t agree to something you want, that the next smear campaign is started ? Did you know that you bought the boards on your own risk as told before and did you know that we have two of them working ? Could lead to an embarrassing situation for you. So you should be more careful trying to insinuate a blackmail-scenario as I and my company cannot be blackmailed. Salvador Fernandez Gomez If you want help and things solved do it by asking gently for it. If so we can agree that you send the boards over to the new address we need to set up a postbox as we are moving right now and are extremely busy with different things to be done too. As you can imagine we are working around the clock on several vital points up to very time consuming details in order to get the company with their products back to the market. Of course nothing that is done in a couple of days. John No people are asking as they are courious if the data is real and they are missing prototypes and that is the simple reason. And I did buy the board of my own risc yes (having dead machchips or so). but I also did buy the boards with the expressed and only requirement that it would pass your production qualitycontrol. missing groundplane would not pass even a chinese qualitycontrol. so the only thing I ask is two board that passes this nothing more or less.. it is not about blackmailing or so atall. And people making fun etc, well that is just a natural happning when they doesn't see stuff. We cannot block any of them as they simply are not doing anything illegal or so. And for your own business you shold as soon as possible show booting proof. I would gladly help you doing this as I love the P5 hardware and this was the reason to show people I was working on the board. to simply show that data is real. Moving company takes time.. yes. but I am at the same time not asking for much. I am asking for 2 PCBs that passes qualitycontrol. not even programmed mach-chips. and to be honest I can show you a video of me measuring the vias that it is dead. so techinically sending PCBs back would be pointless. but ok I can accept that, no problem. but at the same time when getting them, taking 2 pcbs, put in a box and send back doesn't take so much time. I do that with 3660s daily... So simply no blackmailing atall. I just want PCBs so I can get the 2 boards (or atleast one) working that I know should have working mach-chips as they worked before frying the PCB with heatgun. nothing else. John do not get me wrong! I want to help! I want you to suceed.. and I am defending you the way I can. FRE 19:13 Salvador Fernandez Gomez "do not get me wrong! I want to help! I want you to suceed.. and I am defending you the way I can."...... John well.. I have been thinking on what you wrote... and read it several times.. and.. well.. simply.. there is no interest of fixing the issue.. IF you had productionboards you would say "ship and we fix" and I would have them soldered by now. all done. people are aksing me.. like 2-3 persons a day.. I need to give info John they think I am emplyed by you employed.. and I told. I need to have soemthing to tell.. and I asked you what to say.. and you told me "I knew I took a risc with the pcbs.." so.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez you and me have nothing to do with people thats a cheap excuse John no. sorry.. but no issuesolving in 3 weeks.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez no matter how much time it takes we have no contract together John well.. I bought 2 pcbs for 160eur each that should pass your qualitychecks Salvador Fernandez Gomez and i states nowhere that i am not supporting you John no.. but people think so as I have been quet.. all to give you time to solve Salvador Fernandez Gomez the amiga like since ever ! again what do i have to do with "people" ???? John well. they have seen me doing that board.. a board that never will boot Salvador Fernandez Gomez and ? John one iof your boards.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez but our boards will boot John and it will not boot because I did sometjhiong wrong.. it doesn't take 3 weeks tto get an adress to ship something Salvador Fernandez Gomez and when i see just how you soldered the 060 part i get a heart attack maybe you did something wrong John I have that empty pcb herte.. dead as a doornail Salvador Fernandez Gomez thats not the way to tell us that we did something wrong John and thats a reason why I did not ship.. as IF you refuse to fix it.. I have something so.. I have proof your boards is dead as doornails.. you did not even want to solve the issue.. just delaying there is no chanse in hell you can screw up a gnd plane with soldering or even 220V power Salvador Fernandez Gomez you have been told since beginning that it is on your own risk thats not the way how things are done John no you sold boards to me that should pass your quyality checks THAT was my only demand and apparnetlty missing GND is ok Salvador Fernandez Gomez i told you dont try to blackmail me or my company John this is no blackmail not atall.. it is me getting fake boards Salvador Fernandez Gomez it is BLACKMAIL !! John nope.. it is a dissapointed buyer getting fake baards for 160eur/each Salvador Fernandez Gomez now it is not your bad sildering skillz now it is fake boards John I have all mail left.. all bankissues.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez and now ? John I have a totallyuntouched board.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez what are you trying next ? John well.. send me 2 working PCBs (and I return those) plus soemthing for the 5 hour of solderwork.. (luike 1260 pcb) or full refund (and I return) then nothing Salvador Fernandez Gomez what are you dreaming about ? John there is nothing abiout it.. I will then say: everything is solved Salvador Fernandez Gomez nice try John well ok.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez forget it John then I know.. tyou sold me fake boards Salvador Fernandez Gomez you blackmailed me with your poor soldering skillz John HOW can a emty board be broken of soldering? Salvador Fernandez Gomez without correct equipment John it is never touched and HOW can soldering break a GND plane? Salvador Fernandez Gomez ACTION CANCELLED ! tell me your adress i will send you your board back dont wanna have gifts from you anymore John well yo got a gift of 160x2eur already apparently for fake PCBs. so send that PCB to a random amigauser.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez i delivered 2 boards to you there is no gift i recieved from you beside your board at the Amiga32 event John I paid 160eur each.. for productionquality board.. I got crap so apparentlty I gave youi 2x160 eur and you show no interest of fixing the issue so basically : you tricked me sending money. I gave you three weeks to solve it.. all I got was bad excuses.. I was kind all the way.. but no attempt of having a solution and when I asked you tthis week if you was able to handle it.. you basically told me you will not Salvador Fernandez Gomez What are you talking about tricks ? what are you inventing now ? stop it John tricks? you sold me 2 worthless PCBs.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez no i sold you 2 8-LAYERS PCBs on your behalf to have those pcbs John in my order I told they must pass your qualitycheck for production so that means you plan to sell BPPCs with no gndplanes John and now I understand why no paypal: then I cannot dispute.. Salvador Fernandez Gomez John are you going back to the roots ? where one of your first comments on phase 5 news was "oh no not him to get the phase 5 data" ? i don't use paypal at all since several years. for very good reasons stop this bullshit talking in the facebook group John you screwed me.. I hoped my first thought was wrong.. I hoped.. i was right from the beginning you tricked me selling 2 wothless PCBs Salvador Fernandez Gomez i screwed you ? why beacause you are unable to get it working ? John as you sold 2 pcbs with no GND plane Salvador Fernandez Gomez stop talking this bullshit. I tricked NOBODY ! John you sold me 2 wortyhless PCBs.. explain HOW inner planes is dead on my boartds. HOW did I do that? it is not even possible even if I push 220V through it.. it will be there. nothing.. board is UNTOUCHED.. no gnd Salvador Fernandez Gomez how is it possible that you recieve the boards and test all planes and everything is fine and tell this to everybody and now where you start to solder the board manually the board is now fake. Meanwhile i don't know what to think about your words. John there is NO way of removing one layer an INNER layer also.. ok outer layer.. just sand it off. but an INNER layer? just please ask ANYONE how to break a inner layer without any other sign on the boarrd. Salvador Fernandez Gomez First everything was working TESTED AND CONFIREMED BY YOU ! and now after soldering the first parts nothing works and then the only "reason" this can be is to invent that i "tricked and screwed" you. Well John applause for your great behaviour ! John if it was tested then you missed the GND plane it is impossible to break inner layers wijout it shws.. and people do KNOW that I will do a live broadcast tomorrow.. withcloseups of the board. so people wil see it is totally untouched and let THEY decide..